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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Clarification question: Is this in regards to the whole of the EDK2 or the interaction of the MinnowBoard MAX project components with the EDK2?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">EDK2 itself should not be impacted by the MinnowBoard MAX project, though the MinnowBoard MAX project is having problems on the Tip (due to un-synched content
from two locations).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Per your comments: You hit upon a very important point around the MinnowBoard MAX project and the Open Source Community. MinnowBoard MAX started out as a
“closed” development, which was destine to be open sourced. The transition from closed to open has brought most of these issues to light.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So, while it may appear that there are some direct intentions associated with what you see, the truth is that much of these issues come from unintended consequences
of using process for one environment in another. There needs to be a new process for this within the Intel teams, and training around that process. This is also part of the plan that is underway/in development (some things are already underway, others
are in development – I might add it is a big plan and a serious commitment).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I understand how the current process is creating the difficulty, and thank you for the input on how to make change for the better. In my other message to Bruce
Cran, I outlined the parts of target plan, which I think are close to your requests.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">While I am an Intel employee, I do not represent Intel and am not authorized to speak for Intel. </span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Andrew Fish [mailto:afish@apple.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> edk2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net<br>
<b>Cc:</b> MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [edk2] [MinnowBoard] [EDK2][MNW2]: Problem building MinnowMAX firmware 0.77 on Windows.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 4, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Krau, Michael P <<a href="mailto:michael.p.krau@intel.com">michael.p.krau@intel.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To respond to and to clarify the PS in Andrew’s message below:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It is not the intention of the MinnowBoard MAX firmware team to complicate or cause issues within the UEFI Open Source Community. If the current methods and
mechanisms are failing then adjustment is necessary. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">From what I understand, the problem aligns that the MinnowBoard MAX is not building off of the tip (with the binaries provided for the 0.77 version of the firmware).
I can understand the frustration, but the problem is a cascade of several external factors. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My frustration is that it is very likely Intel has zero commitment to keep the TOT building ever, but checks the MinnowBoard max packages in to the TOT. The readme will get updated some day (with no warning) to say pull SDK 2016 SP 1 or
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our development around MinnowBoard MAX are now centered on the Open Source community site. The BSD content for MinnowBoard MAX is being developed from the
open source repository (including the platform specific packages – Vlv2DeviceRefCodePkg and Vlv2TbltDevicePkg ). So the development team is working directly to the sources on the open site. This was established at the insistence of keeping the development
open to the community.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then you should keep it working on TOT like all the ARM platforms, the OS based emulators, and the Virtual Machine support in the edk2. The MinnowMAX can make a branch that contains all the “validated release” edk2 bits, just like UDK 2014
does. After you branch you just need to commit fixes to the branch and TOT. <o:p></o:p></p>
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greatly, but have no recourse). We cannot keep the tip updated with changes in these binary files because it is against policy of the hosting site to provide binaries without the associated sources, which is not possible with this content.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t see this as an issue. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This means that those files have to be distributed in separate fashion, (those are the files per the zip file at:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://firmware.intel.com/sites/default/files/MinnowBoard_MAX-0.77-Binary.Objects.zip"><span style="color:purple">http://firmware.intel.com/sites/default/files/MinnowBoard_MAX-0.77-Binary.Objects.zip</span></a>)
a<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">t least for the 0.77 version of the official release.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To make matters more difficult, that site (<a href="http://firmware.intel.com/"><span style="color:purple">firmware.intel.com</span></a>) has rules that files
are not posted until they have been through a complete validation cycle. So, while we are moving at one speed on the Open Source site, the binary files are held to a different speed/cadence. In the case of this time period, there have been changes in the
binaries, which come back to the problems when using the tip of the Open sources and the old files. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I pointed out your process seems incompatible with the open source process. We can’t fix a build break in edk2 TOT because it has not been validated, is a crazy answer! Sounds like the
<a href="http://firmware.intel.com">firmware.intel.com</a> rules are going to force your packages to live in a branch and not exist in TOT? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If it were possible to provide the binary files through the same mechanism as the sources we would be doing so.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This is why our instructions are so explicit about the version from the open source repository to use for the build. It is hoped that the binaries will not
be changing in the future, at least not in this manner, but that was not the case between the 0.77 and the (upcoming) 0.78 release.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As an aside, there is an effort underway to improve this binary distribution de-synch problem and make other requested improvements. As part of this effort
we would be grateful to hear of where the process is failing, and how we can make improvements. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One pull from source control for all the open source bits (a branch). Exact command line (or GUI for Windows) instructions on how to pull the open source bit. It seems svn is getting to be uses less and less these days….<o:p></o:p></p>
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