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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'd suggest keeping it simple to start
with. Rather than getting involved with adding a PCIe bridge, how
about a simple single chip dual-port wired gig-e device. I'll
confess I don't know the cost of a dual port chip here, but as
long as it's less than the cost of two single port chips and a
pci-e bridge then it's unlikely to be a problem.<br>
<br>
Personally I think a large part of the point is that something
built around the Max <i>will</i> be significantly more powerful.
Since it takes away all sorts of limitations of the cheap
routers. Whether that's enough to justify the cost is a
subjective decision.<br>
It's certainly enough for me - my current setup has an older
Mini-ITX Atom board with a dual-port add-in NIC. The Max would
allow me to remove lots of moving parts and save on power
consumption.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/09/14 03:49, Hawley, John wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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think the “openwrt” lure is not a bad idea, but I question
how expensive it’s going to be (and want people to keep this
in mind). It looks like you can pick up a reasonably decent
802.11ac device with mainline support for openwrt for ~$100
now (in fact there’s only one mainline device that supports
802.11ac if I’m looking correctly). Keeping in mind that to
even get started we are already at ~$100 just for the MAX.
The MAX would clearly be SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than
most routers, but is that enough to justify the cost?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
know there’s been other talk of lures to include similar
things:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Single
AND Dual port gig-e<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Seacat
already has mSATA and mPCI-e<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
what we are really suggesting here is adding a pci-e bridge,
daisy chaining a dual-port gig-e chip off one lane and
routing another leg to a mPCI-E slot so people can add a
wifi card. And taking one of the gig-e ports and breaking
it out to a switch (one that I’d assume is vlan capable).
Dave Anders is right, that this won’t fit in the same form
factor as the MAX, and will likely be fairly large
(overall), and pci-e bridge chips are rather expensive
chips.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
there’s interest, I’m all for pushing forward, but I want to
try and get a real feeling for how interesting this is to
people.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces@lists.elinux.org">elinux-minnowboard-bounces@lists.elinux.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces@lists.elinux.org">mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces@lists.elinux.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Hart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> MinnowBoard Development and Community
Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MinnowBoard] mSATA Lure (aka
Flotsam Lure)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">With
respect to the integrated switch, I would recommend
avoiding that and leaving them as discrete Ethernet
interfaces. You can always bridge them in software,
making the design much more flexible. This is how
the Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite is setup and I find it
very nice to work with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Unless
you meant 2 distinct interfaces AND a built-in
switch, in which case sure - although I think it
might get cost/size prohibitive rather quickly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Darren
Hart<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>Open Source Technology Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><span
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Intel Corporation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Michael
Jarvis <</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Reply-To: </b>MinnowBoard Development and Community
Discussion <</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elinux-minnowboard@lists.elinux.org"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, August 29, 2014 at 11:54<br>
<b>To: </b>MinnowBoard Development and Community
Discussion <</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elinux-minnowboard@lists.elinux.org"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">elinux-minnowboard@lists.elinux.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [MinnowBoard] mSATA Lure (aka
Flotsam Lure)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">OpenWRT
is definitely an application I'm interested in for the
Minnowboard Max, so I'm chiming in on the lure page. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
could see even different levels of OpenWRT lure,
with a simple dual gigabit ethernet NICs at the low
end, and perhaps a high-end lure with an integrated
switch, wireless NIC, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:40 AM, David Anders <</span><a
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">danders@circuitco.com</span></a><span
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On 08/29/2014 11:33 AM, </span><a
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href="mailto:selsinork@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">selsinork@gmail.com</span></a><span
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">those
are very much from the embedded world. Then
put something like<br>
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on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">hehe,
very different definitions of embedded, hehe<br>
<br>
when we did the design for Max this type of
application wasn't really a target, but it is
certainly flexible enough to support this use
case. we'd just need to get the right combination
of features on a lure with the right price and
size...<br>
<br>
i'd suggest for anyone interested in this type of
Lure, that they provide feed back over on the
elinux wiki:<br>
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</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.elinux.org/OpenWRT_Lure"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://www.elinux.org/OpenWRT_Lure</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
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Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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