<div dir="ltr">If it had msata in addition to the two nics, it would be damn near perfect.. one power for the whole box. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Michael Jarvis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mjarvis.tx.08@gmail.com" target="_blank">mjarvis.tx.08@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree that to start with, a simple dual-port wired gigabit Ethernet lure would be useful for packet inspection use cases such as intrusion detection, policy enforcement, or just simple troubleshooting. Most SOHO routers don't give you the ability to do a packet capture on the device, unlike commercial grade routers. I know I'd definitely buy one, and hook it up between my cable modem and SOHO router, just so I could get packet captures on all of my traffic in one spot. It would be relatively inexpensive to produce and would probably sell fairly well.<div>
<br></div><div><div><div>I also think a DOCSIS lure would be interesting, but would be a LOT of work, and not very practical at this time. </div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:selsinork@gmail.com" target="_blank">selsinork@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I'd suggest keeping it simple to start
with. Rather than getting involved with adding a PCIe bridge, how
about a simple single chip dual-port wired gig-e device. I'll
confess I don't know the cost of a dual port chip here, but as
long as it's less than the cost of two single port chips and a
pci-e bridge then it's unlikely to be a problem.<br>
<br>
Personally I think a large part of the point is that something
built around the Max <i>will</i> be significantly more powerful.
Since it takes away all sorts of limitations of the cheap
routers. Whether that's enough to justify the cost is a
subjective decision.<br>
It's certainly enough for me - my current setup has an older
Mini-ITX Atom board with a dual-port add-in NIC. The Max would
allow me to remove lots of moving parts and save on power
consumption.<div><div><br>
<br>
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On 03/09/14 03:49, Hawley, John wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
think the “openwrt” lure is not a bad idea, but I question
how expensive it’s going to be (and want people to keep this
in mind). It looks like you can pick up a reasonably decent
802.11ac device with mainline support for openwrt for ~$100
now (in fact there’s only one mainline device that supports
802.11ac if I’m looking correctly). Keeping in mind that to
even get started we are already at ~$100 just for the MAX.
The MAX would clearly be SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than
most routers, but is that enough to justify the cost?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
know there’s been other talk of lures to include similar
things:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Single
AND Dual port gig-e<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Seacat
already has mSATA and mPCI-e<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So
what we are really suggesting here is adding a pci-e bridge,
daisy chaining a dual-port gig-e chip off one lane and
routing another leg to a mPCI-E slot so people can add a
wifi card. And taking one of the gig-e ports and breaking
it out to a switch (one that I’d assume is vlan capable).
Dave Anders is right, that this won’t fit in the same form
factor as the MAX, and will likely be fairly large
(overall), and pci-e bridge chips are rather expensive
chips.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If
there’s interest, I’m all for pushing forward, but I want to
try and get a real feeling for how interesting this is to
people.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><span>-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">John<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1483da1024485ea1_1483d61377d78bbb__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces@lists.elinux.org" target="_blank">elinux-minnowboard-bounces@lists.elinux.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces@lists.elinux.org" target="_blank">mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces@lists.elinux.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Hart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> MinnowBoard Development and Community
Discussion<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MinnowBoard] mSATA Lure (aka
Flotsam Lure)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">With
respect to the integrated switch, I would recommend
avoiding that and leaving them as discrete Ethernet
interfaces. You can always bridge them in software,
making the design much more flexible. This is how
the Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite is setup and I find it
very nice to work with.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Unless
you meant 2 distinct interfaces AND a built-in
switch, in which case sure - although I think it
might get cost/size prohibitive rather quickly.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">-- <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Darren
Hart<span>
</span>Open Source Technology Center<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:darren.hart@intel.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">darren.hart@intel.com</span></a><span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
</span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
Intel Corporation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Michael
Jarvis <</span><a href="mailto:mjarvis.tx.08@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mjarvis.tx.08@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>MinnowBoard Development and Community
Discussion <</span><a href="mailto:elinux-minnowboard@lists.elinux.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">elinux-minnowboard@lists.elinux.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, August 29, 2014 at 11:54<br>
<b>To: </b>MinnowBoard Development and Community
Discussion <</span><a href="mailto:elinux-minnowboard@lists.elinux.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">elinux-minnowboard@lists.elinux.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [MinnowBoard] mSATA Lure (aka
Flotsam Lure)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">OpenWRT
is definitely an application I'm interested in for the
Minnowboard Max, so I'm chiming in on the lure page. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I
could see even different levels of OpenWRT lure,
with a simple dual gigabit ethernet NICs at the low
end, and perhaps a high-end lure with an integrated
switch, wireless NIC, etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:40 AM, David Anders <</span><a href="mailto:danders@circuitco.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">danders@circuitco.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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On 08/29/2014 11:33 AM, </span><a href="mailto:selsinork@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">selsinork@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">those
are very much from the embedded world. Then
put something like<br>
</span><a href="https://openwrt.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">https://openwrt.org/</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
on it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">hehe,
very different definitions of embedded, hehe<br>
<br>
when we did the design for Max this type of
application wasn't really a target, but it is
certainly flexible enough to support this use
case. we'd just need to get the right combination
of features on a lure with the right price and
size...<br>
<br>
i'd suggest for anyone interested in this type of
Lure, that they provide feed back over on the
elinux wiki:<br>
<br>
</span><a href="http://www.elinux.org/OpenWRT_Lure" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://www.elinux.org/OpenWRT_Lure</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<br>
Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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