[MinnowBoard] How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard MAX (or turbot)? (Emir Elkholy)
Emir Elkholy
emirelkholy at gmail.com
Wed May 4 17:21:37 UTC 2016
Hello,
We already have Winzent legacy BIOS installed, but what tools can be run
from DOS to troubleshoot the PCIe bus? Is there a common tool that runs on
DOS that can output all of the devices on the bus? This may help us with
our issue of having the NIC recognized in Windows CE. Also, is there a
known rev of the Minnowboard Max Turbot that has the NIC issue resolved (I
read earlier that some nic issue was fixed in later boards). Just wanted to
see if our board is one of the newer ones.
Thanks,
Emir
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> 1. Re: : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard MAX (or
> turbot)? (Berth-Olof Bergman)
> 2. Re: : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard MAX (or
> turbot)? (Gerard Bucas)
> 3. Re: : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard MAX (or
> turbot)? (Berth-Olof Bergman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:14:43 +0200
> From: Berth-Olof Bergman <bo.bergman at winzenttech.com>
> To: MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion
> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> MAX (or turbot)?
> Message-ID: <9B2F9823-168B-4DCF-9506-F3B9EF1E67BE at winzenttech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Thank you for your feedback! I?m glad I can be of any help for Minnowboard
> users.
>
> Best regards,
>
> B-O
>
> > 4 maj 2016 kl. 18:12 skrev Anders, David <david.anders at intel.com>:
> >
> > B-O,
> >
> > Yes, TinCanTools is pretty responsive for such things, so it was fixed
> pretty quickly after you reported it...
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: elinux-MinnowBoard [mailto:
> elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org] On Behalf Of Berth-Olof
> Bergman
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 11:08 AM
> > To: MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion <
> elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> MAX (or turbot)?
> >
> > That?s great!
> >
> > I reported this over 8 month ago, so it?s good to know someone took
> notice.
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > B-O
> >
> >> 4 maj 2016 kl. 17:50 skrev Anders, David <david.anders at intel.com>:
> >>
> >> B-O,
> >>
> >> Just FYI, that has been fixed in the newer revisions...
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: elinux-MinnowBoard
> >> [mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Berth-Olof Bergman
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 8:50 AM
> >> To: gerard.b at tekmagic.net; MinnowBoard Development and Community
> >> Discussion <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> MAX (or turbot)?
> >>
> >> Hi Gerard,
> >>
> >> In case you have problem with a second NIC in the PCI expansion bus
> using the silver jaw lure, the problem is the violation of PCI timing as
> the PLTRST# signal is not used to reset the NIC. They use the PWROK signal
> to reset the NIC and on a reboot the PWROK remains high. In the case of
> full reset from PCI reset register the PWROK gets initial low and then
> high, but violates the PCI bus reset protocol as the RESET# signal should
> remain low for at least 100 mS after power (PWROK) is stable.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> B-O
> >> Winzent Technologies
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> 4 maj 2016 kl. 11:54 skrev Gerard Bucas <gerard.b at tekmagic.net>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Brian,
> >>>
> >>> That is a really good question! :)
> >>>
> >>> We have a couple of PCB designs which one could consider as
> >>> MinnowBoard MAX "derivatives". On one of the designs (PCB) we have a
> >>> serious problem with reliable access to the Realtek 8111 NiC, even
> >>> though "on paper" (schematics,
> >>> etc) the two PCB's have the same NiC designs (so in one design
> >>> everything on the PCB works perfectly while on the other there seems
> >>> to be some PCI bus access issues to the NiC). We have tried different
> >>> drivers and other OS level debugging (mainly linux based) but can't
> >>> seem to isolate the problem (sometimes lspci will list the Realtek
> >>> NiC after a reboot and sometimes not and when it does get
> >>> detected/listed by lspci, the whole lspci entry is occasionally
> >>> corrupted and shows FF FF, etc). Obviously sounds/smells/looks like a
> >>> PCI bus problem (differential pair impedance, component differences,
> >>> PCB layout differences, etc..) but we can't seem to isolate it. So we
> >>> would like to do some "lower level" testing/checking of PCI
> >>> enumeration and maybe other PCI debugging tools. One of the tools we
> wanted to play with runs on MS-DOS.
> >>>
> >>> However, someone just pointed me at UEFI app:
> >>> https://github.com/JamesAmiTw/ru-uefi/raw/master/5.17.0284.zip
> >>> which should actually be able to run as an EFI app on our normal
> >>> minnow-derived firmware/BIOS. So need to check that out as well.
> >>>
> >>> If you have any other ideas or pointers please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks & Regards
> >>>
> >>> Gerard
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: elinux-MinnowBoard
> >>> [mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> Richardson, Brian
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:45 PM
> >>> To: MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion
> >>> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> >>> MAX (or turbot)?
> >>>
> >>> What is the low-level debugging requirement? Does it need to be run
> >>> in DOS or just at a level below the OS?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks ... br
> >>> ---
> >>> Brian Richardson, Senior Technical Marketing Engineer, Intel Software
> >>> brian.richardson at intel.com --
> >>> http://evangelists.intel.com/bio/Brian_Richardson_
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: elinux-MinnowBoard
> >>> [mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> Gerard Bucas
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:43 PM
> >>> To: 'MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion'
> >>> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >>> Subject: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard MAX
> >>> (or turbot)?
> >>>
> >>> Resent with better subject line....
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know how one could bot MS-DOS on a MBM/T?
> >>>
> >>> Would like to do this for some low-level debugging we need to do.
> >>>
> >>> I assume it needs a "legacy BIOS" but from what I read the winzent
> >>> legacy BIOS (which is due soon) is not yet available?
> >>>
> >>> Any help would be appreciated!
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Gerard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> http://lists.elinux.org/mailman/listinfo/elinux-minnowboard
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:37:13 +0200
> From: Gerard Bucas <gerard.b at tekmagic.net>
> To: Berth-Olof Bergman <bo.bergman at winzenttech.com>
> Cc: MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion
> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> MAX (or turbot)?
> Message-ID: <9A8C9227-495F-4A49-845E-F9329A65DA8A at tekmagic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi B-O
>
> Interesting...
>
> Which BIOS do you use to boot MSDOS?
>
> Curious....
>
> Gerard
>
> > On May 4, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Berth-Olof Bergman <
> bo.bergman at winzenttech.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Gerard,
> >
> > Please let me know how you are doing with this and also the MSDOS boot.
> >
> > For your info, I use MSDOS a lot on Minnowboard Max/Turbot booting from
> SD card or USB thumb drive. It?s the best way to test the BIOS and the
> firmware.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > B-O
> >
> >> 4 maj 2016 kl. 17:25 skrev Gerard Bucas <gerard.b at tekmagic.net>:
> >>
> >> Hi B-O,
> >>
> >> Thanks for this feedback/tip. Will make sure we check this out as well.
> >>
> >> Much appreciated.
> >>
> >> Gerard
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Berth-Olof Bergman [mailto:bo.bergman at winzenttech.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 9:50 AM
> >> To: gerard.b at tekmagic.net; MinnowBoard Development and Community
> Discussion
> >> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> MAX
> >> (or turbot)?
> >>
> >> Hi Gerard,
> >>
> >> In case you have problem with a second NIC in the PCI expansion bus
> using
> >> the silver jaw lure, the problem is the violation of PCI timing as the
> >> PLTRST# signal is not used to reset the NIC. They use the PWROK signal
> to
> >> reset the NIC and on a reboot the PWROK remains high. In the case of
> full
> >> reset from PCI reset register the PWROK gets initial low and then high,
> but
> >> violates the PCI bus reset protocol as the RESET# signal should remain
> low
> >> for at least 100 mS after power (PWROK) is stable.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> B-O
> >> Winzent Technologies
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> 4 maj 2016 kl. 11:54 skrev Gerard Bucas <gerard.b at tekmagic.net>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Brian,
> >>>
> >>> That is a really good question! :)
> >>>
> >>> We have a couple of PCB designs which one could consider as
> >>> MinnowBoard MAX "derivatives". On one of the designs (PCB) we have a
> >>> serious problem with reliable access to the Realtek 8111 NiC, even
> >>> though "on paper" (schematics,
> >>> etc) the two PCB's have the same NiC designs (so in one design
> >>> everything on the PCB works perfectly while on the other there seems
> >>> to be some PCI bus access issues to the NiC). We have tried different
> >>> drivers and other OS level debugging (mainly linux based) but can't
> >>> seem to isolate the problem (sometimes lspci will list the Realtek NiC
> >>> after a reboot and sometimes not and when it does get detected/listed
> >>> by lspci, the whole lspci entry is occasionally corrupted and shows FF
> >>> FF, etc). Obviously sounds/smells/looks like a PCI bus problem
> >>> (differential pair impedance, component differences, PCB layout
> >>> differences, etc..) but we can't seem to isolate it. So we would like
> >>> to do some "lower level" testing/checking of PCI enumeration and maybe
> >>> other PCI debugging tools. One of the tools we wanted to play with
> runs on
> >> MS-DOS.
> >>>
> >>> However, someone just pointed me at UEFI app:
> >>> https://github.com/JamesAmiTw/ru-uefi/raw/master/5.17.0284.zip
> >>> which should actually be able to run as an EFI app on our normal
> >>> minnow-derived firmware/BIOS. So need to check that out as well.
> >>>
> >>> If you have any other ideas or pointers please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks & Regards
> >>>
> >>> Gerard
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: elinux-MinnowBoard
> >>> [mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> Richardson, Brian
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:45 PM
> >>> To: MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion
> >>> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> >>> MAX (or turbot)?
> >>>
> >>> What is the low-level debugging requirement? Does it need to be run in
> >>> DOS or just at a level below the OS?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks ... br
> >>> ---
> >>> Brian Richardson, Senior Technical Marketing Engineer, Intel Software
> >>> brian.richardson at intel.com --
> >>> http://evangelists.intel.com/bio/Brian_Richardson_
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: elinux-MinnowBoard
> >>> [mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> Gerard Bucas
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:43 PM
> >>> To: 'MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion'
> >>> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >>> Subject: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard MAX
> >>> (or turbot)?
> >>>
> >>> Resent with better subject line....
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone know how one could bot MS-DOS on a MBM/T?
> >>>
> >>> Would like to do this for some low-level debugging we need to do.
> >>>
> >>> I assume it needs a "legacy BIOS" but from what I read the winzent
> >>> legacy BIOS (which is due soon) is not yet available?
> >>>
> >>> Any help would be appreciated!
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Gerard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> elinux-MinnowBoard mailing list
> >>> elinux-MinnowBoard at lists.elinux.org
> >>> http://lists.elinux.org/mailman/listinfo/elinux-minnowboard
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> elinux-MinnowBoard mailing list
> >>> elinux-MinnowBoard at lists.elinux.org
> >>> http://lists.elinux.org/mailman/listinfo/elinux-minnowboard
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> elinux-MinnowBoard mailing list
> >>> elinux-MinnowBoard at lists.elinux.org
> >>> http://lists.elinux.org/mailman/listinfo/elinux-minnowboard
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> http://lists.elinux.org/mailman/listinfo/elinux-minnowboard
> >
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 19:08:57 +0200
> From: Berth-Olof Bergman <bo.bergman at winzenttech.com>
> To: MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion
> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> MAX (or turbot)?
> Message-ID: <C389837C-2E68-459D-9227-7150069B4CA4 at winzenttech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Gerard,
>
> I send our legacy BIOS for Max and Turbot to your email address at
> tekmagic.net <http://tekmagic.net/>
>
> Best regards,
>
> B-O
>
>
>
> > 4 maj 2016 kl. 18:37 skrev Gerard Bucas <gerard.b at tekmagic.net>:
> >
> > Hi B-O
> >
> > Interesting...
> >
> > Which BIOS do you use to boot MSDOS?
> >
> > Curious....
> >
> > Gerard
> >
> >> On May 4, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Berth-Olof Bergman <
> bo.bergman at winzenttech.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Gerard,
> >>
> >> Please let me know how you are doing with this and also the MSDOS boot.
> >>
> >> For your info, I use MSDOS a lot on Minnowboard Max/Turbot booting from
> SD card or USB thumb drive. It?s the best way to test the BIOS and the
> firmware.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> B-O
> >>
> >>> 4 maj 2016 kl. 17:25 skrev Gerard Bucas <gerard.b at tekmagic.net>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi B-O,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for this feedback/tip. Will make sure we check this out as well.
> >>>
> >>> Much appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Gerard
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Berth-Olof Bergman [mailto:bo.bergman at winzenttech.com]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 9:50 AM
> >>> To: gerard.b at tekmagic.net; MinnowBoard Development and Community
> Discussion
> >>> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> MAX
> >>> (or turbot)?
> >>>
> >>> Hi Gerard,
> >>>
> >>> In case you have problem with a second NIC in the PCI expansion bus
> using
> >>> the silver jaw lure, the problem is the violation of PCI timing as the
> >>> PLTRST# signal is not used to reset the NIC. They use the PWROK signal
> to
> >>> reset the NIC and on a reboot the PWROK remains high. In the case of
> full
> >>> reset from PCI reset register the PWROK gets initial low and then
> high, but
> >>> violates the PCI bus reset protocol as the RESET# signal should remain
> low
> >>> for at least 100 mS after power (PWROK) is stable.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> B-O
> >>> Winzent Technologies
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 4 maj 2016 kl. 11:54 skrev Gerard Bucas <gerard.b at tekmagic.net>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Brian,
> >>>>
> >>>> That is a really good question! :)
> >>>>
> >>>> We have a couple of PCB designs which one could consider as
> >>>> MinnowBoard MAX "derivatives". On one of the designs (PCB) we have a
> >>>> serious problem with reliable access to the Realtek 8111 NiC, even
> >>>> though "on paper" (schematics,
> >>>> etc) the two PCB's have the same NiC designs (so in one design
> >>>> everything on the PCB works perfectly while on the other there seems
> >>>> to be some PCI bus access issues to the NiC). We have tried different
> >>>> drivers and other OS level debugging (mainly linux based) but can't
> >>>> seem to isolate the problem (sometimes lspci will list the Realtek NiC
> >>>> after a reboot and sometimes not and when it does get detected/listed
> >>>> by lspci, the whole lspci entry is occasionally corrupted and shows FF
> >>>> FF, etc). Obviously sounds/smells/looks like a PCI bus problem
> >>>> (differential pair impedance, component differences, PCB layout
> >>>> differences, etc..) but we can't seem to isolate it. So we would like
> >>>> to do some "lower level" testing/checking of PCI enumeration and maybe
> >>>> other PCI debugging tools. One of the tools we wanted to play with
> runs on
> >>> MS-DOS.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, someone just pointed me at UEFI app:
> >>>> https://github.com/JamesAmiTw/ru-uefi/raw/master/5.17.0284.zip
> >>>> which should actually be able to run as an EFI app on our normal
> >>>> minnow-derived firmware/BIOS. So need to check that out as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have any other ideas or pointers please let me know.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks & Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerard
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: elinux-MinnowBoard
> >>>> [mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Richardson, Brian
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 8:45 PM
> >>>> To: MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion
> >>>> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard
> >>>> MAX (or turbot)?
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the low-level debugging requirement? Does it need to be run in
> >>>> DOS or just at a level below the OS?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks ... br
> >>>> ---
> >>>> Brian Richardson, Senior Technical Marketing Engineer, Intel Software
> >>>> brian.richardson at intel.com --
> >>>> http://evangelists.intel.com/bio/Brian_Richardson_
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: elinux-MinnowBoard
> >>>> [mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Gerard Bucas
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 7:43 PM
> >>>> To: 'MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion'
> >>>> <elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
> >>>> Subject: [MinnowBoard] : How does one run MS-DOS on a MinnowBoard MAX
> >>>> (or turbot)?
> >>>>
> >>>> Resent with better subject line....
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone know how one could bot MS-DOS on a MBM/T?
> >>>>
> >>>> Would like to do this for some low-level debugging we need to do.
> >>>>
> >>>> I assume it needs a "legacy BIOS" but from what I read the winzent
> >>>> legacy BIOS (which is due soon) is not yet available?
> >>>>
> >>>> Any help would be appreciated!
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> elinux-MinnowBoard mailing list
> >>>> elinux-MinnowBoard at lists.elinux.org
> >>>> http://lists.elinux.org/mailman/listinfo/elinux-minnowboard
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> elinux-MinnowBoard mailing list
> >>>> elinux-MinnowBoard at lists.elinux.org
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> >>>>
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