[MinnowBoard] OpenWRT Lure (Was: Re: mSATA Lure (aka Flotsam Lure) )

Wed Sep 3 23:34:44 UTC 2014

If it had msata in addition to the two nics, it would be damn near
perfect.. one power for the whole box.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Michael Jarvis <mjarvis.tx.08 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree that to start with, a simple dual-port wired gigabit Ethernet lure
> would be useful for packet inspection use cases such as intrusion
> detection, policy enforcement, or just simple troubleshooting. Most SOHO
> routers don't give you the ability to do a packet capture on the device,
> unlike commercial grade routers. I know I'd definitely buy one, and hook it
> up between my cable modem and SOHO router, just so I could get packet
> captures on all of my traffic in one spot. It would be relatively
> inexpensive to produce and would probably sell fairly well.
>
> I also think a DOCSIS lure would be interesting, but would be a LOT of
> work, and not very practical at this time.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM, <selsinork at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  I'd suggest keeping it simple to start with. Rather than getting
>> involved with adding a PCIe bridge, how about a simple single chip
>> dual-port wired gig-e device.  I'll confess I don't know the cost of a dual
>> port chip here, but as long as it's less than the cost of two single port
>> chips and a pci-e bridge then it's unlikely to be a problem.
>>
>> Personally I think a large part of the point is that something built
>> around the Max *will* be significantly more powerful. Since it takes
>> away all sorts of limitations of the cheap routers.  Whether that's enough
>> to justify the cost is a subjective decision.
>> It's certainly enough for me - my current setup has an older Mini-ITX
>> Atom board with a dual-port add-in NIC. The Max would allow me to remove
>> lots of moving parts and save on power consumption.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/09/14 03:49, Hawley, John wrote:
>>
>>  I think the “openwrt” lure is not a bad idea, but I question how
>> expensive it’s going to be (and want people to keep this in mind).  It
>> looks like you can pick up a reasonably decent 802.11ac device with
>> mainline support for openwrt for ~$100 now (in fact there’s only one
>> mainline device that supports 802.11ac if I’m looking correctly).  Keeping
>> in mind that to even get started we are already at ~$100 just for the MAX.
>> The MAX would clearly be SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than most routers, but
>> is that enough to justify the cost?
>>
>>
>>
>> I know there’s been other talk of lures to include similar things:
>>
>> -          Single AND Dual port gig-e
>>
>> -          Seacat already has mSATA and mPCI-e
>>
>>
>>
>> So what we are really suggesting here is adding a pci-e bridge, daisy
>> chaining a dual-port gig-e chip off one lane and routing another leg to a
>> mPCI-E slot so people can add a wifi card.  And taking one of the gig-e
>> ports and breaking it out to a switch (one that I’d assume is vlan
>> capable).  Dave Anders is right, that this won’t fit in the same form
>> factor as the MAX, and will likely be fairly large (overall), and pci-e
>> bridge chips are rather expensive chips.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there’s interest, I’m all for pushing forward, but I want to try and
>> get a real feeling for how interesting this is to people.
>>
>>
>>
>> -          John
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org [
>> mailto:elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org
>> <elinux-minnowboard-bounces at lists.elinux.org>] *On Behalf Of *Darren Hart
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:35 AM
>> *To:* MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion
>> *Subject:* Re: [MinnowBoard] mSATA Lure (aka Flotsam Lure)
>>
>>
>>
>> With respect to the integrated switch, I would recommend avoiding that
>> and leaving them as discrete Ethernet interfaces. You can always bridge
>> them in software, making the design much more flexible. This is how the
>> Ubiquiti Edge Router Lite is setup and I find it very nice to work with.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unless you meant 2 distinct interfaces AND a built-in switch, in which
>> case sure - although I think it might get cost/size prohibitive rather
>> quickly.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Darren Hart
>> Open Source Technology Center
>>
>> darren.hart at intel.com
>>           Intel Corporation
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Michael Jarvis <mjarvis.tx.08 at gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion <
>> elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
>> *Date: *Friday, August 29, 2014 at 11:54
>> *To: *MinnowBoard Development and Community Discussion <
>> elinux-minnowboard at lists.elinux.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MinnowBoard] mSATA Lure (aka Flotsam Lure)
>>
>>
>>
>>  OpenWRT is definitely an application I'm interested in for the
>> Minnowboard Max, so I'm chiming in on the lure page.
>>
>>
>>
>> I could see even different levels of OpenWRT lure, with a simple dual
>> gigabit ethernet NICs at the low end, and perhaps a high-end lure with an
>> integrated switch, wireless NIC, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:40 AM, David Anders <danders at circuitco.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 08/29/2014 11:33 AM, selsinork at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> those are very much from the embedded world. Then put something like
>> https://openwrt.org/  on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> hehe, very different definitions of embedded, hehe
>>
>> when we did the design for Max this type of application wasn't really a
>> target, but it is certainly flexible enough to support this use case. we'd
>> just need to get the right combination of features on a lure with the right
>> price and size...
>>
>> i'd suggest for anyone interested in this type of Lure, that they provide
>> feed back over on the elinux wiki:
>>
>> http://www.elinux.org/OpenWRT_Lure
>>
>> Dave
>>
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